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July 09, 2007

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M.P.T.

I like Rick Tormala he is the most open and honest of the bunch.The question is he mayor material?

The Editor

Hi M.P.T.

This reply should be found under the next article, To Vote or Not To Vote. You posted it under Hillary's review. That's ok - we'll make a note of your response.

As for Mr. Tormala being mayoral material?

He is the only one that can answer that question for you. And only you can determine if he meets or exceeds your standards. You can audit his record to date as a commissioner as it is available to the public. He has put in public service time so, his voting record and what response he had on key issues may prove helpful to those who want to know if he is a candidate that can stand up to the city big whigs and represent the people as well.

Thanks for your reply.

Regards,

Bridget

Alma

I don't think any book is going to sway voters at this point. Either you like Hillary or you don't.

She has been wildly outspoken, often contradictory and in the public eye for years now. I think most opinions of her have been formed already. Those who like her will disregard all the negatives. Those who don't like her are well aware of the laundry list of bad things that make her highly unappealing, especially for such a high office as President of The United States.

This book sounds decent, but it's thumbs down on Hillary for me. Nothing she could do could sway me at this point. The bad is greater than any possible good. I shudder to think of her running this country.

Appreciate your book review though - saves me from reading it! ;-0

Brandon

Alma,

I think you're 100% correct, first of all, that the vast majority of people undoubtedly made up their minds about Hillary Clinton a long time ago (and for the record, I also count myself among the "thumbs down" camp). I do not support her candidacy and would not vote for her in the general election, should she actually get the nomination.

Where I might take issue with you (or at least ask you to clarify things a bit) is your contention that she is "wildly outspoken". In what ways is she outspoken, relative to any other major politician (of either party)?

If anything, it is her unending drive to blandly and robotically straddle the fence, to have it both ways at all times, to avoid actually taking a principled stand, consequences be damned, that strikes me as her most unappealing quality as a politician.

I tend to think -- and I'm not suggesting you or anyone else in particular is guilty of this -- that the extreme loathing her husband has generated among people over the years is often projected onto Hillary Clinton, irrespective of what her stance may be on a given issue. To some extent that may be perfectly valid, but more often than not I think it obscures the ability to look at her policies objectively.

From a purely strategic standpoint, I think a Hillary nomination is arguably THE one thing that could keep the White House in Republican hands come 2008 (short of that, I think the number of people who'd choose four more years of what we currently have might be able to fill a small restaurant), and that alone is reason enough for me to hope that she fails in her bid. But once you get beyond the veneer of her persona and the reputation of her husband, what is it that makes her outspoken or different from 90% of her senate colleagues?

The Executive Director

Hi, Brandon.

I gotta kick out your "small restaurant" jab at Bush. I agree with you, and it's astonishing how bland the current crop of candidates is, both Democrat and Republican, considering that this presidential contest is wide open. (If memory serves 2008 will be the first presidential election since 1928 in which no incumbent prez or veep is running.) Now bland isn't always bad, but I find it odd considering how vocal and radicalized grassroots progressives and conservatives are getting. You'd think there would be a candidate on both sides ready to tap into the dissatisfaction out there with the status quo.

Regards, Bill

Brandon

Bill,

I think those kinds of candidates are definitely out there, and are speaking rather eloquently to that very sense of dissatisfaction -- Ron Paul for the Republicans and Mike Gravel for the Democrats are two that immediately come to mind. They don't gain the traction they deserve because we allow a system that requires someone to raise a tenth of a billion dollars just to be looked upon as a "serious" candidate.There's a great deal of blame to be spread around for why that is, but it's not because there aren't worthy candidates.

Alma

Brandon,

My concept of wildly outspoken may be different than yours. I remember times when Hillary got irritated with the press regarding how she and Bill were being portrayed and she flew off the handle. She looked bad in the press the day after she went wacky and then tried to fix her outspoken ways. For those who loved her, it was no big deal. For others, it ended up being a shrill response from an unappealing woman that stayed in your head forever. I'll share some examples below.


FIRST THOUGHT:

When Hillary was being turned into our health care czar under the early Clinton administration, people were testifying during hearings on Capital Hill about the plus and minus points to a national health care plan. Hillary came down hard on a health insurance agent when he noted if her plan passed, people like him and thousands of others would be out of a job. Hillary coldly told him "find something else to market then". Similarly, Hillary was advised by small business owners at a conference on health care that she attended that if her health care plan were to pass, it could sink these businesses as the costs would crippled them. In no uncertain terms, she advised them dismissively that "it was their problem, not hers". With such warmth being exuded from the former first lady, is it any surprise Global Warming has swamped the earth? ;-) For me, these are wildly outspoken statements.

SECOND THOUGHT:

Hillary and Bill were interviewed as a couple by 60 minutes prior to the 1992 campaign (the famous light toppling over incident). Marriage issues and infidelity was brought up briefly. She told the interviewer that "she was not sitting next to her man like some mini Tammy Wynette, she did it because she loved Bill and if people didn't like it then they shouldn't vote for him". She said this in her usual snotty, intellectually superior voice that said I'm so much better than you little peasant. I cringe just hearing it in my head the second time! Hillary was making it clear, if her husband could insult her with affairs galore and if Hillary could be in denial and makes excuses for him well, so should we. This seems wildly outspoken to me again.

THIRD THOUGHT:

When Andrea Mitchell once interviewed Hillary and wanted to discuss charges of bad business practices with The Rose Law firm, The Madison Guaranty, stock dealings, etc. Hillary got snippy and lashed out saying "what was she supposed to do during this time? Stay home and bake cookies and make tea? She said she fulfilled her professional life by working at all these jobs in the area of law and also, helped Bill along the way too". Many stay at home mom's felt insulted by such a slight. I felt this was wildly outspoken too.

FOURTH THOUGHT:

Let's not forgot Hillary's recent quotes about party store owners/gas station attendants being from India and the Middle East. That the GOP is running a modern day plantation. And so on.

FIFTH THOUGHT:

Hillary constantly defending Bill's infidelities (Gennifer Flowers, Juanita Brodrick, Monica Lewinsky, Paula Jones, the Arkansas trooper gate girl scandal and more) and his inability to avoid hanky panky. She always found a way to blame "the girls" for Bill's bad ways. She told us that it was the press that got it wrong, that a right wing conspiracy was attacking him and subjecting him to relentless accusations. She made him out to be an innocent victim each time instead of the creepy, groper he really was. She and Bill and her team often went to town digging up dirt on these ladies and trying to paint them as the ones with problems and issues, not good ole' busy hands and pants Bill.


Anyway, these were the kind of things I was referring to when I said Hillary was wildly outspoken. You may disagree but that is where I was coming from. I don't have her exact quotes at hand but can get them if you want supporting evidence. I paraphrased for the most part but they are close to accurate.

My final thought, if Hillary can't identify such problems at home, address it, and get it fixed once and for all, what makes anyone think she can analyze world issues where life and death is at stake and get it right? For anyone out there that think's "it's just about sex, it's their issue not ours", your wrong. When they take on positions that require utmost honesty, ethics and loyalty, first to each other, and then to the nation they end up representing, it becomes OUR issue. If they want it to be a private matter, they need to live completely private lives - outside the public arena. That would include staying away from being President of the U.S. If they can't honor their promises to one another, especially marriage vows made in front of a judge/licensed legal official and God, what makes anyone believe they will honor any promise they make to the American people? Their hands on the bible and the oath spoken at the ceremonies becomes as meaningless as their marriage vows. If this kind of behavior and speaking out isn't wildly outspoken, I don't know what is.

I agreed with everything else you said less...that people's loathing for Bill is why people end up not liking Hillary. Wrong. I and many can separate the two easily. Bill has likeable (along with very unappealing narcissistic qualities) and she has the same. Hillary easily stands alone for me as she is very determined and driven and much like this book review said, she sells out where she can, she steam rolls over other people and she tosses others aside without value. She also stood by Bill during constant cases of adultery and turned a blind eye to his terrible behavior because her political goals outweighed dignity and respect for another person. She is an example of a 60's feminist to the T. She turned the world around with the need for women to be equal to men in ALL ways and that if women didn't dominate everything in a short amount of time then the world was bigoted and racist. She has practically become a man in her quest for power, greed, money and glory - she is just missing ya-ya's. It's just not appealing. All these things; feminist, cheated on wife, power and money hungry cannibal without boundaries, liar and cheat and so on. Ever hear the phrase from guys when they meet a woman that changed their lives forever, when they truly learn the power of love, they say "she made me want to be a better man". That's a testament to the power of women when they do good. They raise themselves up and those around them in positive, fulfilling and honorable ways. Hillary missed the boat on that one. She is a sell out in too many ways to even mention in a short piece like this. I may dislike him, but at times I dislike her even more.

I think you and I agree more than disagree on the life and times of Mrs. Clinton.

I enjoyed your comments to me - thank you.

Alma

Brandon

Alma,

I appreciate your thoughts. As I read through them, it occurred to me that perhaps we don’t disagree as much as see the issue(s) from different vantage points. By that I simply mean that your assertions about her outspokenness seem to revolve more around her personality and character than about her policy stances as a legislator; I guess it was a misinterpretation on my part about what you initially meant to convey.

In any event, thanks for the clarification.
:)
Brandon

The Executive Director

Hi, Brandon.

I put Paul and Gravel at the gadfly end of the political spectrum. (Keep in mind I say this of Paul even though I tend toward libertarian public policies.) Even with more money to spend they would strike out with the public. That's because they are ideologues. That doesn't necessarily mean their ideas have no merit, but rather they prize the purity of an idea more than putting it to work if that means a compromise.

As for the problem with our current campaign laws that shut out dark horses, yes it is a problem. However, I don't see it as an issue of how much is spent on a campaign. (In terms of the amount of money spent on advertising, it is a tiny sum to advertise some of the most important things we need to know about.) The problem is the severe restrictions on the amounts a candidate can raise from any one individual or group so that unless he has a campaign machine that can reach millions of contributors, he is out of the game.

Of course, the Congress passed these restrictions because they favor incumbents. Incumbents tend to have the networks that make raising many small contributions easier. Newcomers don't, so they get shut out unless they are wealthy enough in their own right to pick up the tab (e.g., Perot, Bloomberg). I see nothing wrong with a few millionaires getting behind a candidate and financing his campaign. All campaign laws should require is that all contributions be made by check, immediately disclosed to the public, and make the candidate and not the contributor responsible for any violations. That way the voters can decide for themselves if a candidate is "bought".

Regards, Bill

Brandon

Or, as an alternative, we could adopt the following two ideas and put them into action (pie-in-the-sky, I know):

1. Restrict the campaign seasons, both primary and general election, to 90 days (or some other sensible time frame). If we, the citizenry, are as intelligent as we think we are, then 90 days of listening to the ins and outs of a candidate's positions should be ample time for us to make up our minds. Is it not obscene, in some way, that presidential campaigns begin some two years (give or take) before the actual election?

2. Mandate, via FCC regulation, that during the 90-day campaign periods, all viable candidates shall be granted 'X' amount of free TV and radio time to air commercials.

These two steps would, to a great extent, I believe, make moot the question of who (or what) is giving money to which campaign, and whether candidate 'X' is being bought.

I would certainly still leave it open for anyone to give as much money as he or she wants to any candidate, but with limited campaign seasons and free air time during those periods, having a fat war chest wouldn't hold anywhere near as much sway as it does right now.

So anyway, yeah -- it's all academic, because the process is far too corrupted at this point to think that anything along those lines is possible. But still....

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